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Hi,

Which of the following tech-computers show a safety stop for No-deco dives?

- Vr3/Vrx
- X1/Xeo/Xen
- Shearwater
- NiTek


All the best,
Jo

So what?

scubatinoo Wrote:
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> So what?

This safety stop feature seems to be missing for a reason in technical computers...


All the best,
Jo

So OSTC 2N would be on the same level like Uwatec Galileo Tec or Suunto HelO2 when supporting safety stops...

JoStein Wrote:
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> This safety stop feature seems to be missing for a
> reason in technical computers...
>
>
> All the best,
> Jo

And what could that reason be? Are safety stops actually dangerous? Can it kill the experienced technical diver? I don't think so. I think the OSTC is a totally different kind of dive computer.

What I know, the OSTC is one of very few dive computers on the globe, that the users are welcome to participate in the development of, like we do here. (Have you ever tried giving feedback to Suunto?)

Since I bought mine, several good ideas and wishes described in this Forum, have been implemented. To the benefit of us all.
There are several features I don’t use, but they are all in there without costing me another buck or making the thing harder to operate...

In my opinion, infected discussions about new features to be or not to be, is not needed before there has to be some old feature removed to give space for the new one.
If they are hard or impossible to implement or will mess up other functions, I’m sure HW and Co will tell us.

Personally I’m looking forward to all new functions:)

Sometimes I get the impression that doing recreational diving is a bad thing which can actually damage the OSTC or the real technical diver.
(sorry for the sarcasm).

I in fact do both:
Technical Dives using Trimix, several deco gases, etc.
This was the main reason for buying the OSTC.
Some time I had an old Suunto for the recreational diving, but I don't use it any more. The OSTC is surely the computer I like more.
If you do diving in e.g. Egypt a safety stop of 3min at 5m is obligatory as well as staying in the NDL.
It is clear the stopwatch (or brain 1.0) could do the job as well, but aren't we allowed ask for more comfort ?
A aircondition in a car is also not necessary, but do you want to miss that ?

I would really like to have the safety stop feature.
The discription above should be O.K. for a start.

mrbredon

This topic is one of the most controversially discussed feature requests for the OSTC. We got quite a few mails about this, too. Having the option switching this off I don't see any real disadvantage here. As said before this is quite easy to implement.

regards,
Matthias

heinrichsweikamp Wrote:
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> Having the
> option switching this off I don't see any real
> disadvantage here. As said before this is quite
> easy to implement.
>
> regards,
> Matthias

sounds good, when can we expect a version with this feature ;o)

mrbredon

Hi Guys,
New OSTC 2n owner here and I would also love the convenience of the ability to implement a 3m safety stop if the diving I am doing calls for one.

IE: My trip to Egypt in September.

It seems that this feature alone would open up a new market for the company as the UK distributor, "Deep Ideas" are having to state on their advert for the OSTC 2n that it is NOT suitable for recreational diving due to the lack of safety stop feature.

Bad marketing when you consider there are millions more recreational divers than technical and this simple feature being ommitted is hugely limiting the companies sales opportunities.

That is a shame for such an incredible device that has no technical reason for not offering the feature, surely?

a shame?
Quickly resell your computer, I bought it


Remember :
What this OSTC 2N dive computer is not:
Competition for cheap mass products for the occasional diver.

What this OSTC 2N dive computer is:
An experimental platform for all experienced divers who are interested in the theory of diving and who value maximum transparency and individual adaptabily .

There are already several high-performance dive computers on the market-- not quite a dime a dozen, but enough to give users a choice of products.

Hi,

This is what I can offer:

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regards,
Matthias

Looks perfect to me mate!

Was dieser OSTC 2N Tauchcomputer ist:
Eine Experimentalplattform für alle versierten und an der Theorie interessierten Taucher

Was dieser OSTC 2N Tauchcomputer nicht ist: (wird aber langsam werden)
Eine Konkurrenz zu preiswerten Massenprodukten für Gelegenheitstaucher.

Wer am lautesten schreit hat vermutlich am wenigsten Ahnung (Bekommt aber seine Features...)

Hi,

We'll post a 2.25beta with the new CF65 (Show a safety stop) on Monday. I think it's time to cool-down a bit here.

Yes, this definitely nothing the OSTC was intend for but it doesn't hurt if it's set to OFF. When it's fully debugged and disabled there is no influence on the code compared to the 2.21stable.

Next on (my) list isn't a recreational diving feature: 10 Gases in the Gaslist...

Regards,
Matthias

Hallo Matthias,

10 Gase in der Gasliste wäre toll. Was ist mit dem Einstellen des ppO2 per Gas oder eine Einstellung für Grund- bzw Dekogase?

Wunschliste für die nahe Zukunft: Kalk/Scrubber Uhr, Airbreaks


Gruß Uwe

Hallo Uwe,

Du bist im falschen thread. Hier gehts um den Safety Stop.
Dieser wäre besser.
http://forum.heinrichsweikamp.com/read.php?2,4649
Sonst haben wir mehrere threads zum selben Thema.

Ich hoffe dass das lästige thema des Safety Stop mit der implementierung abgeschlossen ist.

Hmmm aber könnte man denn nicht auch gleich ein paar CF's machen so dass man die tiefe und die dauer des safety stops selber einstellen kann.
Oder hast du das schon implementiert im Beta 2.25 Matthias?

JoStein Wrote:
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> Wer am lautesten schreit hat vermutlich am
> wenigsten Ahnung

Aha, hier verlässt einer die sachliche Ebende und wird persönlich! Ein untrübliches Zeichen, dass die Argumente ausgegangen sind...


swissdiving Wrote:
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> Hmmm aber könnte man denn nicht auch gleich ein
> paar CF's machen so dass man die tiefe und die
> dauer des safety stops selber einstellen kann.

Jaja, und dann kömmt der Nächste und möchte noch eine
andere Farbe einstellen - und wieder ein CF dafür.

Da bin ich eher der Meinung, dass man sich mal Gedanken
macht welche CF's es wirklich braucht. Ausser vielleicht
10 bis 15 CFs ist der Rest nicht wirklich tauchgangsrelevant...

Just one CF for the safetystop feature is enough, swissdiving.

Further complexity is not required, so let's not go overboard on this.

And besides: it's open source, so if you want to alter the depth an time settings, just compile your own binary ;-P

Hi all,

2.25beta is online: http://www.heinrichsweikamp.com/#/en/ostc_2n/firmware/

Die 2.25beta ist jetzt online: http://www.heinrichsweikamp.com/#/de/ostc_2n/firmware/

Gruß,
Matthias

swissdiving Wrote:
> paar CF's machen so dass man die tiefe und die
> dauer des safety stops selber einstellen kann.
> Oder hast du das schon implementiert im Beta 2.25
> Matthias?
>


Bin ich der einzige der die Ironie hier gesehen hat?

So, jetzt bitte alle mal die beta installieren und sagen ob das mit dem Safety Stop so ok ist.

Gruß,
Matthias

Hi Matthias,

heinrichsweikamp Wrote:
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> 2.25beta is online:

for the deescription of the CF.
According to the comments in the code,
the stop apears when cf65 >0 and the dive is a "non deco stop dive"?
(If so, from my point to view a bit silly, but ok, i wont use this CF)

Regards
Rob

Salut Matthias,

Ja da war eine gute Portion Ironie dahinter. Denkt man aber die Idee dahinter zuende dann müsste man auch den Safety Stop auf die eigenen Bedürfnisse anpassen können. Zum Beispiel ist in bestimmten Situationen ein Safety Stop auf 5m Meter praktikabler...

Bin ganz bei dir. Zuerst mal den Beta testen!

Hallo Matthias,

Neben dem Technischen Tauchen, das ich privat praktiziere, bilde ich auch OWD Schüler aus. Die Einbindung finde ich so OK. Es wäre schön, wenn die Anzeige bei 5m beginnen würde, da der Sicherheitsstop bei den meisten Verbänden 3min auf 5m sein soll.


Gruß Uwe

heinrichsweikamp Wrote:
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> Bin ich der einzige der die Ironie hier gesehen
> hat?

Nene...

> So, jetzt bitte alle mal die beta installieren und
> sagen ob das mit dem Safety Stop so ok ist.

Würd ich ja gerne. Aber mein OSTC macht grad Safety Stop am Zoll...