Strange value for future TTS
Strange value for future TTS
Hi,
i had a strange problem with my OSTC2, Firmware 2.70 on my last dive.
Diveplan was: Doing some drills at about 5 Meters for +/- 10 minutes. Then going down to 42 meters, 20 minutes bottom time. Gases used were: Air for the beginning, bottom and ascend to 21 meters, then switch to EANx at 21m and 100% oxygen a 6 meters.
After about 12 minutes at 42 meters, TTS was about 12 minutes, which seemed right. However, future TTS (5 minutes in the future) was 9' which is simply not possible. I then switched through the fields with the right button, because i wanted to find out, if it is "simply" an update problem. However, after switching through the fields and coming back to future TTS, the computer couldn't calculate the future TTS anymore and showed "---".
any ideas?
best regards,
Steven
i had a strange problem with my OSTC2, Firmware 2.70 on my last dive.
Diveplan was: Doing some drills at about 5 Meters for +/- 10 minutes. Then going down to 42 meters, 20 minutes bottom time. Gases used were: Air for the beginning, bottom and ascend to 21 meters, then switch to EANx at 21m and 100% oxygen a 6 meters.
After about 12 minutes at 42 meters, TTS was about 12 minutes, which seemed right. However, future TTS (5 minutes in the future) was 9' which is simply not possible. I then switched through the fields with the right button, because i wanted to find out, if it is "simply" an update problem. However, after switching through the fields and coming back to future TTS, the computer couldn't calculate the future TTS anymore and showed "---".
any ideas?
best regards,
Steven
Re: Strange value for future TTS
Hello,
I have same problem, no matter what my overall TTS is and no matter how my gaslist is set up, my future TTS shows max. 9’ for @+5min, even when my TTS is 30’ or more. Sometimes it won’t show future TTS at all, it just shows --- for @+5min. If anyone knows the solutions please reply.
I have same problem, no matter what my overall TTS is and no matter how my gaslist is set up, my future TTS shows max. 9’ for @+5min, even when my TTS is 30’ or more. Sometimes it won’t show future TTS at all, it just shows --- for @+5min. If anyone knows the solutions please reply.
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Re: Strange value for future TTS
Hi,
This seems indeed a bug that only occurs in the "OSTC 2C" hardware (New display).
We'll add this fix to the next official release, of course.
Regards,
Matthias
This seems indeed a bug that only occurs in the "OSTC 2C" hardware (New display).
We'll add this fix to the next official release, of course.
Regards,
Matthias
Re: Strange value for future TTS
Thank you for your quick reply and HEX code solution.
Today I have updated the firmware of my OSTC 2C and in simulator mode looks like it is working OK. I still have to test it underwater but am counting on smooth operation of my OSTC.
For all of you that would like to solve this problem there is a 2.74 BETA Firmware attached to this post that you can update through Weikampbootloader.
Today I have updated the firmware of my OSTC 2C and in simulator mode looks like it is working OK. I still have to test it underwater but am counting on smooth operation of my OSTC.
For all of you that would like to solve this problem there is a 2.74 BETA Firmware attached to this post that you can update through Weikampbootloader.
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Re: Strange value for future TTS
Hi,
This issue has now been fixed in the new 2.74:
http://www.heinrichsweikamp.com/?id=57&version=en
Only OSTC 2C were affected from this bug.
Regards,
Matthias
This issue has now been fixed in the new 2.74:
http://www.heinrichsweikamp.com/?id=57&version=en
Only OSTC 2C were affected from this bug.
Regards,
Matthias
Re: Strange value for future TTS
Not working for me :
Mix : Air
Depth : 60m
Bottom time : 10'
TTS : 23'
TTS + 5' : 51'
Up to 20m
TTS : 15'
TTS + 5' : 14'
Up to 10m
TTS : 15'
TTS + 5' : 10'
Mix : Air
Depth : 60m
Bottom time : 10'
TTS : 23'
TTS + 5' : 51'
Up to 20m
TTS : 15'
TTS + 5' : 14'
Up to 10m
TTS : 15'
TTS + 5' : 10'
Bardass
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Re: Strange value for future TTS
"TTS+5" can be lower then your TTS if your tissues are desaturating.
Regards,
Matthias
Regards,
Matthias
Re: Strange value for future TTS
i know
but i don't think so if i stay 5 minutes more at 20m
in fact, it depends how we have to read Future TTS
if future TTS + X' = Y',
Does it mean :
future TTS = X + Y minutes
or
future TTS = Y minutes including X minutes
but i don't think so if i stay 5 minutes more at 20m
in fact, it depends how we have to read Future TTS
if future TTS + X' = Y',
Does it mean :
future TTS = X + Y minutes
or
future TTS = Y minutes including X minutes
Bardass
Re: Strange value for future TTS
Hi Bardass,
When you stayed for 10 minutes at 60 meters, you are for sure desaturating at 20 meters, even after 5 minutes.
What times are you referring to by x and y?
Reiner
When you stayed for 10 minutes at 60 meters, you are for sure desaturating at 20 meters, even after 5 minutes.
What times are you referring to by x and y?
Reiner
Re: Strange value for future TTS
I'm desaturing for sure
but much less if i join the surface
if i stay 5 minutes more at 20m, my future TTS can't be less than my actual TTS
but much less if i join the surface
if i stay 5 minutes more at 20m, my future TTS can't be less than my actual TTS
Bardass
Re: Strange value for future TTS
Yes it can, when the dive was quite deep and your tissues are desaturating at 20 meter.
In that case your time spent at 20 meters is actually a deco stop.
The time you are staying on a deco stop will reduce your TTS.
The same will happen on shallower deco stops.
When you arrive to 6 meter from a deeper dive with a deco obligation, your TTS might be for example 12 minutes with a 5 minutes deco stop at 6 meters.
Your future TTS + 5 will show in this case 7 minutes with an actual TTS of 12 minutes.
The same might happen on 20 meters after a deeper dive, if your average tissues are desaturating.
Then the time at 20 meters count in as a deco stop and the same systematic will happen but you will not see a deco stop on your computer necessarly.
In that case your time spent at 20 meters is actually a deco stop.
The time you are staying on a deco stop will reduce your TTS.
The same will happen on shallower deco stops.
When you arrive to 6 meter from a deeper dive with a deco obligation, your TTS might be for example 12 minutes with a 5 minutes deco stop at 6 meters.
Your future TTS + 5 will show in this case 7 minutes with an actual TTS of 12 minutes.
The same might happen on 20 meters after a deeper dive, if your average tissues are desaturating.
Then the time at 20 meters count in as a deco stop and the same systematic will happen but you will not see a deco stop on your computer necessarly.
Re: Strange value for future TTS
bardass, i think it means "future TTS = X + Y minutes".
so, if you have TTS + 5 = 14', it means in 5 minutes, the TTS will be 14', in total 19 minutes from now.
As for the change of TTS on 60m, this seems a bit extreme to me. Is your bottom time inluding the descent or is it "real" bottom time?
so, if you have TTS + 5 = 14', it means in 5 minutes, the TTS will be 14', in total 19 minutes from now.
As for the change of TTS on 60m, this seems a bit extreme to me. Is your bottom time inluding the descent or is it "real" bottom time?
Re: Strange value for future TTS
It seems to me that the 51 minutes TTS indicated in the TTS +5 when still at 60 m is about right. From experience, I know that for every minute at 60 m after you hit deco you gain about 5 mins deco. Therefore, at 10 mins current TTS is 23 mins. Therefore, for TTS +5, add another 5 x 5 mins = 25 mins which gives 48 mins, very close to the indicated 51 mins.
As others have indicated, when you ascend and start off-gassing, the TTS +5 should always be less than the current TTS, even though it may only be a minute or two (indicating that you are not off gassing very fast). You in fact may be gaining more time at shallow stops while getting rid of deeper stops.
Once at your correct depth for stops, it should show 5 mins less for TTS +5 comapred to TTS.
As others have indicated, when you ascend and start off-gassing, the TTS +5 should always be less than the current TTS, even though it may only be a minute or two (indicating that you are not off gassing very fast). You in fact may be gaining more time at shallow stops while getting rid of deeper stops.
Once at your correct depth for stops, it should show 5 mins less for TTS +5 comapred to TTS.
Michael
Sydney
Australia
OSTC 2 11528
Sydney
Australia
OSTC 2 11528
Re: Strange value for future TTS
you don't understand what i mean :
TTS means Time to Surface. It includes ascent time + deco stop based on actual time.
So, with same deco stop for normal and future TT, if i stay 5 minutes more (Future TTS +5), i should get surface at least 5 minutes later
For example, with the same deco stop at 20m (ex 12')
TTS is : 3' to ascent to surface + 12' deco stop = 15'
future TTS + 5 must be for me : 5' more at this depth + 3' to ascent to surface + 12' deco stop = 20'.
Don't tell me than 5' more at 20m decrease deco stops from 12 to 6' at 20m as i shown in my simulation above (with air mix) ...
TTS means Time to Surface. It includes ascent time + deco stop based on actual time.
So, with same deco stop for normal and future TT, if i stay 5 minutes more (Future TTS +5), i should get surface at least 5 minutes later
For example, with the same deco stop at 20m (ex 12')
TTS is : 3' to ascent to surface + 12' deco stop = 15'
future TTS + 5 must be for me : 5' more at this depth + 3' to ascent to surface + 12' deco stop = 20'.
Don't tell me than 5' more at 20m decrease deco stops from 12 to 6' at 20m as i shown in my simulation above (with air mix) ...
Bardass
Re: Strange value for future TTS
TTS +5 does not include in its calculation the 5 mins from now till then. It is what the OSTC will show in 5 mins time. For example, if you have TTS of 10 mins now and you are accumulating deco of 3 mins for each minute you stay, the TTS +5 will show 25 mins (that is, original 10 mins + 5 x 3 mins).
I hope this explains it.
I hope this explains it.
Michael
Sydney
Australia
OSTC 2 11528
Sydney
Australia
OSTC 2 11528